Let’s talk about cocaine.
(Okay, so this is by no means a well researched editorial, but rather one person’s ill informed opinion about lines of dialogue that seem far too black and white/conservative for this typical show goer.)
Say you’re at a party. You go into a room where not only is coke use going on, but you’ve been invited to join in if you’d like. You say, “Hey, I’ve never done that shit before. I’ve heard negative things.”
Don’t be ashamed to say such things. You might think it sounds lame but it’s so much lamer to have to say, “Yeah, Um, I spent most of my late teens sucking dick for coke in West Hollywood. No thanks. Well, actually, yes I will have six lines. Thank you.”
So one of the friends you came with says, “It’s fun if you take it easy with it. It’s not for everybody.”
Your other friend interjects; he’s looked very uncomfortable since he’s come into the room and witnessed the goings on. He says, “Did you know that drug smugglers kidnap and kill white babies only to gut them, load them with coke and sew their faces shut to cross the border? Anyone that does coke is a loser and a baby killer. You all need to think about that. Later.”
There are some problems with this argument.
First of all, coke is ridiculously expensive and if someone is willing to share their stash, they’re neither losers nor is it believable that they’re conscious baby killers. Secondly, stories like these, and though it sounds ridiculous, I’ve heard them, are insane. There’s nothing more conspicuous than a dead baby. Trust me, I know.
Then again, there are human mules as well as a thousand other human rights issues when it comes to producing and transporting cocaine. It’s impossible to describe the situation without simplifying it to problematic terms, but I will anyway. See, there’s these poor Latin American countries, with both the tyrannical government and their socialist enemies funding support for their causes with the illegal cocaine trade. Americans are big buyers. Like most of the items you buy and consume, profits skyrocket because of producer greed and consumer ignorance. The war on drugs with its deformed cousin, the war on terrorism, only make the game’s stakes exponentially higher. You know this already. You’ve seen the movie.
If it weren’t for the product’s illegality, it would simply be like most of the products you buy: a result of American imperialism and “Western” control of the market. Coffee, for example. Bananas. Oil. Anything that’s imported into this country is not done so by some American business diplomat saying, “Hi, we’d like to use your very valuable land to grow this cool stuff, which you will not be able to afford, as well as hire out your people as a labor force that we will pay far below a living wage. Sounds awesome, right? Let’s make a deal!”
Rather, these conditions are maintained by waving around the biggest gun barrel in the world. And I’m not talking about Colombia’s.
What I’m saying is that cocaine is what it is. Selling it and trading it is vicious business. There’s no doubt about this. I know because I watch the Wire. But the consumer of it is only as guilty as the consumer of coffee or gas, grapes, or ass. Black market capitalism works unbelievably similar to uh, “white” market capitalism.
I guess what I mean is: get educated before you go shooting your mouth off. By all means, be concerned. When cocaine becomes a prevalent fixture, the scene goes down. (Normally, I hate that word ‘scene’ but in this case, I just mean art and shit.) Believe that. If you think someone you know has a problem, do what you can to get him or her help. I just don’t know what good it does to shun them from our however-you-want-to-describe-it community. It just doesn’t seem to make sense to say that someone that supports some drug lord in some far off country trying to maintain a small army of soldiers is any worse than someone that supports a pharmaceutical company with not only a huge private army and support from the American government but ads on television telling me that I’m deficient in some way and need their product.
Interesting point. Cocaine is a crazy dragon that should not be fucked with. Though I agree, why shun a person because they have the problem? A real “scene” would rise up and help their “fallen” comrade.
“Vicious Business” should be the name of the first Robothouse Compilation.
Love,
Josh
ooooh this debate is soooo september.
i don’t know. i like macy’s coffee better. it’s just when i get really drunk. the ‘idea’ has so much quality. a gram is around fifty bucks. you can split that between a couple people over a night. a few grams (8-ball)? might run around a hundred. have a bigger party… stay up “sober up, of sorts…” it’s incredibly recreational.
honestly i’ve found it comparable to a bag of kind bud. quarter bags are 100-120$, fuck, i just found out folks pay 25-40$ for a capsule of ecstsacy!? mushrooms get more expensive every year. acid? remember acid?some people go to eighties night over and over again just to dance
western post has a sale on bushmills. a fifth for under twenty bucks.
ah, drinking alcohol used to be our local peeve… remember?
‘recreational notoriety’ has its drawbacks. some folks don’t come over anymore. some folks show up at 3:00am. really, this scene has one problem. it’s also it’s greatist strength. idividuality!. maybe it’s not a september thing.
i have a problem… with people stealing. whether it’s from wal-mart, or safeway, even the gap. it’s an activity which many in this town freely accept as okay. i can’t justify it. you can, and that’s okay! some of my best friends are thiefs. i’ll hang out with them anytime.
i’ll certainly let wayward individuals come to chu’r.c.(h) and share in the glory of the chairman, his precepts… ( discover the eluminating/endarkening 5 step program of the language matrix tricotomy! ), and his mistakes… whenever they’d like. take heed, we’re STUoPID.
Hello my name is nyky, for those of you who have no idea who I am I scream with Aunti Entity. (just in case you wanted to personally confront me.) I to played the show where lead singer Taryn(Creosote) spoke about the detriments of cocaine in our immediate community as well as a global community. First and foremost I grew up by the border of Juarez and I am a product of a drug trafficker. (my father)I know first hand about the drug trade. through LIFE EXPERIENCES NOT THE NEWS. Comparing the banana, coffee, and grape trade to cocaine trafficking and “ass” as you so put, trivializes what indigenous people of these countries are going through. Also comparing prostitution to the afore mentioned trades trivializes what they are going through as well. But I guess as a white male who owns his own house etc. trivializing the plight of the oppressed comes naturally.
I would also like to mention Taryn did not say white babies she said babiesnor did she say that babies were being used to traffick drugs. All she stated was that contributing to the cocaine trade is terrible because women are raped found dead or missing and this directly affects their babies and the lives of the innocent. If you do coke you should be aware of what it does to poor people in other countries, just like you should be aware of where all the products you buy come from. You can’t boycott everything, because it is impossible but it is important to boycott those things that are affecting and hurting people whether it be directly or indirectly. I guess before YOU start to comment on what someone says you should first make sure you have quoted them correctly. I guess I am sick of white males criticizing women. I have to stop and wonder if Taryn was a hip dude in the scene would she have been questioned. It seems to me that every time a woman has something to say in this town she is told to shut up, or that she is uneducated. By the way the fact that you get your news from the wire makes your rant less credible. Nyky G baggysocks@hotmail.com for hate mail etc.
nyky’s the shit!
oversimplifying someone’s critique of coke in the ‘community’ to the black and white version of “people who do coke are losers and babykillers” really does nothing, except to make your (bobby’s) argument sound better. But really- the well articulated parts of this article only bolster taryn’s argument, so why hate? What she said is a wake up call- because the first step to helping folks is calling them out. But characterizing her critique as an annoying, hyper-PC, killjoy rant is an easy way to manipulate the situation. As for shunning certain cokefolks— shit, i think if taryn were shunning them from this so called community, you would know it. tires would be slashed, names would be named, certain individuals would be asked to leave, and wemoons army & co. would start to perform castration rituals.. welcome to our fucking ChUrCh!!! step with us, or step aside!
Shut up, you’re uneducated!
All I can say is that ‘the baby story’ comes not from Taryn, but someone who is a dude both anatomically and performatively. And he is a prominent member of the “scene.” Like I said in the intro of the editorial, this was many people, certainly not just Taryn, whom I have respect for. The idea being that if you’re telling people how abusive to poor people they are by being a consumer of cocaine with a full cup of Macy’s coffee and taking off in their oil consuming vehicle, they’re being hypocritical. I implicate myself.
Also, the word “ass” is included as it sounds funny, and it also rhymes, almost. If it means anything, it’s a Marxist thing. Read as “your labor.”
Also, sorry for owning a house. I don’t actually own a house, but don’t see how it’s relevant. Unless you mean ‘ROBOTHOUSE!’
I appreciate the comments, for they make the site worth perusing. Thank you.
Why is it so threatening that people are concerned about coke use in “our community” and it’s impacts on the world. Taryn shared a story that the devastating effects of the coke market have impacted her personally. It seems a bit passive aggressive to lash out at some unnamed white, car driving, coffee drinker dude who was probably just trying to articulate what he heard from Taryn because it made him think. and Bobby, basically your response (to Nyky which scapegoats that white dude) says to me that you were ignoring and silencing Taryn’s voice, maybe because she is a woman, maybe because you are scared to confront her argument, and not “RESPECTING” her.
amerikkkan consumption of coffee, bananas, clothing, oil…. etc. contribute great injuries to peoples of other nations. For the mostly white priviledged middle class in “the scene” that everyone keeps refencing all of these actions can become interrelated and should be scrutinized because the system and the capital that you exist in was stolen off of the labor, lives, and resources of others. Don’t like stealing? don’t think that just because you paid wal-mart for that disposable sweatshop shyt with your “HARD EARNED” cash that you are not stealing.
doing coke is not the same as eating bananas, MAYBE YOU SHOULD DO YOUR RESEARCH.
Cocaine is an expensive social DRUG, it is a form of recreation, it alters your state of mind. I think that some people may be ill informed about the socio-economic impacts of supporting an oppressive banana industry, and we try to inform people when we can and try not to support those industries as well. Perhaps people have been ignorant to the implications of supporting an oppressive Cocaine industry which privileges money over life and has contributed to the murder of women and poor people in other communities. I think Taryn brought it up to say, (Hey maybe y’all didn’t know, but I’m telling you, and if you don’t believe what I say then do some research) from now on ignorance cannot excuse your actions and should not sit lightly on your conscience. To me that is an action that engages the community.
Don’t forget that Historically the CIA used cocaine as a tool to squash resistance in black communities, today it has the same effect. keep the people drugged and powerless.
FUCK YOU IN “THE SCENE” FOR USING COKE. While safe rich white kids (YOU?) & celebrities are using coke in the comfort of their homes, a grandmother on Black Mesa was brutilized by the police and you did nothing, women in your community were raped and you did nothing. New Orleans was flooded and you stood by and did nothing, racism & sexism flooded out of you to injure others & you did nothing.
Sorry Ya’ll have to do coke cuz smoking pot is getting too expensive, all that legalization capitalism in california driving up the market, what will you ever do if someone comes up with fair trade cocaine, because what is the value of life? For people that want more information watch the movie Maria Full of Grace.
Furthermore,
Say yer at a party. You are using coke because you think it’s cool and makes you cool, cuz you are apathetic to the injuries associated with it. You might think this sounds like a lame thing to do, but much lamer would be to offer it to others, especially youth at the party who are probably inadequately informed about the impacts of using.
Nobody was saying that dirctly supporting drug lords and the devaluation of life in other countries is worse than supporting the pharmaceutical industry in the us and the subsequent devaluation of life in other countries. supporting the devaluation of peoples lives in other countries for recreation is the subject that is being brought up. I haven’t heard anyone saying hey do morphine instead of coke cuz the pharmaceutical industry supports worker rights, don’t skew the issue.
also James, what’s your last name? if you are going to say things like “shut up, you’re uneducated” to slap at Nyky’s remarks then you should be accountable for your words and your ignorance.
this is my last post in this thread.
Bananas are among the most widely consumed foods in the world. Most banana farmers receive a low unit price for their produce as supermarkets buy enormous quantities and receive a discount for that business. Competition amongst supermarkets has led to reduced margins in recent years which in turn has led to lower prices for growers. Chiquita, Del Monte, Dole and Fyffes grow their own bananas in Ecuador, Colombia, Costa Rica, Guatemala and Honduras. Banana plantations are capital intensive and demand high expertise so the majority of independent growers are large and wealthy landowners of these countries. This has led to bananas being available as a “fair trade” item in some countries.
The banana has an extensive trade history beginning with the founding of the United Fruit Company (now Chiquita) at the end of the nineteenth century. For much of the 20th century, bananas and coffee dominated the export economies of Central America. In the 1930s, bananas and coffee made up as much as 75 percent of the region’s exports. As late as 1960, the two crops accounted for 67 percent of the exports from the region. Though the two were grown in similar regions, they tended not to be distributed together. The United Fruit Company based its business almost entirely on the banana trade, as the coffee trade proved too difficult for it to control. The term “banana republic” has been broadly applied to most countries in Central America, but from a strict economic perspective only Costa Rica, Honduras, and Panama were actual “banana republics”, countries with economies dominated by the banana trade.
-wikipedia
Cocaine trafficking and distribution
Organized criminal gangs operating on a large scale dominate the cocaine trade. Most cocaine is grown and processed in South America, particularly in Colombia and Peru, and smuggled into the United States and Europe, where it is sold at huge markups.
Cocaine shipments from South America transported through Mexico or Central America are generally moved over land or by air to staging sites in northern Mexico. The cocaine is then broken down into smaller loads for smuggling across the U.S.–Mexico border. The primary cocaine importation points in the United States are in Arizona, southern California, southern Florida, and Texas. Typically, land vehicles are driven across the U.S.-Mexico border.
Cocaine is also carried in small, concealed, kilogram quantities across the border by couriers known as “mules” (or “mulas”), who cross a border either legally, e.g. through a port or airport, or illegally through undesignated points along the border. The drugs may be strapped to the waist or legs or hidden in bags, or hidden in the body. If the mule gets through without being caught, the gangs will reap most of the profits. If he or she is caught however, gangs will sever all links and the mule will usually stand trial for trafficking by him- or herself.
Cocaine traffickers from Colombia, and recently Mexico, have also established a labyrinth of smuggling routes throughout the Caribbean, the Bahama Island chain, and South Florida. They often hire traffickers from Mexico or the Dominican Republic to transport the drug. The traffickers use a variety of smuggling techniques to transfer their drug to U.S. markets. These include airdrops of 500–700 kg in the Bahama Islands or off the coast of Puerto Rico, mid-ocean boat-to-boat transfers of 500–2,000 kg, and the commercial shipment of tonnes of cocaine through the port of Miami.
Bulk cargo ships are also used to smuggle cocaine to staging sites in the western Caribbean–Gulf of Mexico area. These vessels are typically 150–250 foot (50–80 m) coastal freighters that carry an average cocaine load of approximately 2.5 tonnes. Commercial fishing vessels are also used for smuggling operations. In areas with a high volume of recreational traffic, smugglers use the same types of vessels, such as go-fast boats, as those used by the local populations.
-wikipedia
apples and oranges? i don’t know.
i’m not trying to silence anybody. i thought i was trying to create dialog. (granted, via the internet.) if you’re offended, i apologize.
the only reason i mentioned “the dude” was because it was brought up: what if it was a man, and what if he had high prestige, and that turned out to be the case. i was being called out as a racist and a misogynist and felt like maybe i should clarify my position. apparently i’m damned if i do (why is a white man criticizing a woman?) and damned if i don’t (why are you ignoring her critique?) i’m really confused.
and yes, maybe we can all assume an amount of guilt for partying it up instead of being active in the struggle against oppression. i don’t know, i really don’t. i’m not trying to say i have any answers. maybe i’m just a dumb white male hippy that likes PBR and rock music. but i think what turns people off to activism more than anything is this game we play of: are you idealogically right enough? i know that sounds like i’m using the word ‘PC’ but that’s not what i mean. i’m offended by that term (that should be obvious by now) and think it’s a way for conservatives to censor progressive and often good ideas.
i’m just trying to ask questions. what can i do for the grandmother in Black Mesa brutalized by police? what can i do for maria full of grace? what can i do for the indigenous person whose family’s land was taken away by the dole company? what is the difference, really, between fair trade and free trade? what can i do for the family of the three year old shot by an american soldier in iraq? (i know it doesn’t fit, but i can throw it in there, right?)
and of course i know that there are a million things. i vote. some do not. i understand their side, but i still vote. some say things into a microphone before a song that goes deeeeee deedle deee deeedle deeee GWAWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!! i love that shit. but i’m not prepared to say the use of cocaine by the people of flagstaff is such a simple issue. and yes, i’m talking about taryn in particular this time. not to silence her but to suggest that the problem is far more complicated and far bigger than a pre-punk song rant.
and i’m also going to assume that anyone that posts on here has “done their research” and that’s why they’re offering their opinion.
i never said anyone was wrong. i said “there is a problem with [a certain] argument. what i should have said, what would’ve been more accurate would’ve been: i have a problem with the way a certain argument is presented.
i think i make my opinion of coke clear in the original editorial. (something about it bringing the entire “scene” ((as in music and resistance cultures)) down.) however, at the same time, half my favorite books, movies and music were, at least, the partial result of some sort of amphetemine or narcotic use. i understand its allure. let people make their own choices (kind of a funny point considering my ‘election’ post.) and if you have criticism, be constructive.
my only argument is that the trading practices of american big business is similar to the illegal trade of cocaine and that both should be discussed with open minds and not so much like reactionaries. i’ve provided a bare minimum of sketchy internet information to provide a context for my argument. if you read between the lines, with just this much information, the only difference i see between a product like bananas and cocaine is that one is legal and run by american corporations and one is illegal. nevermind coffee (or sugar), both of which Ms. Uchino could be describing when she describes cocaine: “an expensive social DRUG, it is a form of recreation, it alters your state of mind.” all of these are profitable because of the deplorable working conditions of those that cultivate and transport.
perhaps you disagree?
Crystal,
You could always ask James himself… here’s the email he used: redpatcher28@yahoo.com the internet is fun!
Bobby. When I think about the time we used to be friends and why I liked you so much, I think about things like this. You’re smart, funny, and surprisingly diplomatic. And good for you for doing your research and acknowledging that others do as well. I was happy to have read this and I would like to comment on just a couple of the statments made in this thread:
precursory statement: Clearly I am not going to critique anyone’s use of any drug (not even crack), though I still personally feel that of all, alcohol is absolutely the most vile (oh, didn’t you know it was a drug? How many people do you think get beat up, killed, and sexually assaulted as a result of alcohol induced violence and flawed decision-making?). Good thing people don’t agree with me; when I so generously offer it to my underage friends, no one feels the need to berate me for it! I know that when I turned 21, I somehow became adequately informed about the negative consequences of using alcohol. I’m not sure when this critical age for all knowledge concerning cocaine use is, but it must be older than 16. I don’t even think you’re allowed to read about that stuff until you’re at least 18 (I mean, I guess if you’re old enough to vote and buy cigarettes, your brain has finally developed enough for you to actually go out and read the literature devoted to the psychopharmocology of cocaine as well as the sociopoltical implications surrounding the drug. But not before then. Keep on throwing back your head with a mouthful of Sparks until you barf all over the fire in the backyard later, but you better not be sticking anything up that nose of yours! You’re just too young!)
Hmm. Oh, right. I was going to comment on a couple things here. And then I made that long-winded almost entirely paranthetical precorsory statment.
1. Josh, you are a sweetheart. I think one would have to consider another individual a “comrade” before they could help pick them up when they had “fallen”. But you have the most comrades of all; not everyone is so fortunate. Unfortunately.
2. Pete, I’m not sure if you revealing your problem with stealing was a joke or not but if so, very funny! I myself used to have a problem with thieves, but now I kind of consider it just another way to say Fuck You and you and you. Which is also why I think Winona Ryder is hilarious.
3. Nyky, I really like your glasses, your band, and your email address. It’s also so nice to hear informed commentary from a person who has ‘been there’. I also just want to let you know that if you’d like to talk with a female who does not feel that she has been put down and in fact, feels lucky that she gets to hang out with such a supportive group of males (who admittedly like to wank out on their instruments but at least don’t hit their partners with them), then let’s bullshit the next time I see you at a party! I’ll be entering a Ph.D. program in neuroscience next year, so maybe we have good information we can exchange with one another. I’ve never been to Juarez, but I have been the daughter of a drug dealer. Next time I smile at you, I hope you smile back!
4. I hope no one shuns me because of anything I have said or am about to say. I can’t afford new tires. I may be white, but I sure as fuck am not rich (though I could probably hook myself later and make a couple of hundred bucks for those tires. Good thing I’m not a male. So I guess, slash away!)
5. Don’t worry James, I feel your sense of humor brother. I’m not sure why Ray published your email address when it explicitly (I HAD to use that word there, didn’t I?) states in between MAIL and (required) that it will not be published. Maybe you were able to give him some informed consent or something. Well, I’m not giving you my permission Ray, so don’t you dare give anybody my email address. Not even you.
6. Crystal, drugged and powerless do not go hand in hand. I feel quite powerful when I’m on cocaine. Also, I’m not sure if I’ve seen you at NACASA or if you have worked for our only sexual assault advocacy center in Coco County, but I know that when I interned there, I realized that in the end I couldn’t do shit for a single person that walked through that door except hold her bloody, feces-encrusted hands while she described to me how her husband ass-raped her with a vodka bottle and made her stick her fingers up her own anal passage (this is when I felt that powerlessness we were talking about before). *Note: the word “ass” is not funny in this context, but was in Bobby’s. Enough to make me chuckle aloud, even though I’m watching the internet all by myself.* I agree, Maria Full of Grace is a good movie. I’m not so sure about the accuracy of its facts, but I’m not sure about the accuracy of Wikipedia’s facts, either, even though I think its the shit. Drug trafficking, however, is not the shit, but I think maybe recommending someone to a prominent social researcher who academically studies the subject of drug trafficking would be a better move. I think you can Wikipedia something like that.
7. Heeyyyy, doesn’t WEEN have a song called “Bananas and Blow”? Those motherfucking geniuses! They’ve probably been having this dialogue for years already. They’ll be my only referral of the post. Go check their shit out, y’all (unless you don’t like Ween; some people think they suck).
Well, that was a lot more than I thought I had to say. I hope you guys read it. Since I’ve never actually done much of anything (in fact, not a single thing ever) on this website, I don’t know if I’ll see any replies you have for me (I was originally looking at farthouse.party or whatever). I would like to see all of you at the next show, though, where I hope to not be castrated. If need be, I’ll even step out of your way, comrades.
Desi, please refer to Robothouse Ordinance 4 Subsection 2 of the initial “Sign Your Life Away” S.Y.L.A. clause (actually it’s printed up on the main page): “Disclaimer: Everything on this website is a lie. Don’t believe any of it. Enjoy!” With this in mind, know that any information can be disclosed at any time.
(Don’t worry, your email is safe w/ me!)
I’m not sure how I feel about this thread and comments as a whole as of yet, but the thread will stay up. My only hope is that people, once attracted to the site via “this thread” will then continue to use the site in it’s many other “positive attributes.”
Ray, don’t take me so seriously! You know me well enough to understand that I think life is a meaningless joke, don’t you? I was just makin’ fun. Personally, I found this thread to be quite positive as it reminded me that I’ve always thought Bobby C. was a smart pony.
But, I know too much conflict makes you uncomfortable and though I don’t think I was in any way being negative, I apologize if I uh…made you uncomfortable, I guess. Perhaps my subtle humor wasn’t properly gleaned by all.
wow, this thread. i’m at macy’s using there internet and i can’t afford a coffee. sure, if i asked, i’d get one for free. but i try not to make my status advantageous. it’s a flag thing y’know… hook ups. i’m so damn humble. honestly, it embarrases me. fuck, just now (my least favorite) church member sat down and asked “who’s working.” i said “who cares.” he said “i do.” i said “why?” he replied “so i can get a free coffee!” i regret some of the values i’m not teaching these kids. the stealing thing was a bit jokey, but i value experience over material items (except star wars toys due to their statuary-iconic referrence-experiential material value. etc. [i know where and how they are made.]) not a blanket of belief, but it’ll sort out my own personal need when it comes to deciding between a couple choices. anyway, i explain my thoughts to the church patron. but he doesn’t lisdten to me. i’m calling out mikey cuz he’s pissing me off. at least they have a smokers section here, it’s chilly. i’m going to do a little research. see if i can’t say one little thing that crept out here in this thread. to antagonize everyone on a new thread? peace and fucking, believe!
i just wanted to get in on this. that is all.
matt d
ps. i agree with everyone one this thread, but especially jsh.
oh, i meant ‘on’ instead of ‘one’.
Pete—your responses to this thread are about as comprehensable as that mural you did on the o’leary street store (the spirals at least…). anyways, can’t afford a coffee? think of how many lattes you could’ve bought honest and fair with $18,000 in three months. pathetic.
god we all have such inDividUaL, unique senses of humor…
I have only one question, maybe it will sound idiotic, but I don’t really give a fuck becuase this isn’t some major thesis statement.
A. I have never used cocaine (not for any political, social, or economic reason, I just never had the urge, for me the amount of urgency do to a bump is equal to the amount of urgency in doing a enema, shitting mineral oil out your ass is not ok. one moment in time I lied, and said I did some, NOT BECAUSE I WOULD FEEL UNCOOL, but because it seemed a lot easier to say “yeah, when I went to this gay club in France after I watched my gay roomate anal fuck our friend”, rather than devoting an entire three mintues to the substance) and…
B. My father was a cocaine lover so I really must know…
C. Why does everyone get so pumped about it?
love
me
P.S.
Y’all should read Bitter Fruit
Oh, Desi when are we going to make the ‘frat’ shirts?
sure ‘just inn.’pathetic… it’s true (to the extent truth is real, let’s assume*) you sound a bit like my ex (not a bad thing in many circles.) funny about the spirals. do i know you? you sure know alot about me! could you be mikey. because upon returning, i thought i’d apologize to him… him arriving so eloquently well timed in my discourse, and me in my coffeeless grief; when i should have been just blogging and not tidling here. the goddess works in amazing ways.
it’s not really his fault that the employees of macy’s have made this precident. and i am bordering on hypocritical when i chastize him, had i not paid for all my coffee’s bought people in spirit of hooking them up, better tips or none. but mikey isn’t really about this thread. tim macy might be related somehow. but now i think it’s because he’s a white male.
just inn, if you are mikey, you surely graced your way back to ‘favorite church member’; i mean, aside from spicing this thread and topic up a notch. (no pun intended)
the pathos doesn’t escape me. and i’ve been hoping for a needle hole to my thread.
give or take $18,000, i moved back here with about that much. by 6/6/6 i had traveled, bought several video cameras. man… coachella weekend alone, i dunno. i was already living a fairly glamorous lifestyle. a second investor into the church, loren. more or less my new apprentice.(i know, it’s crazy) became another benefactor; as we had both inherited more cash than we knew what to do with. in a way, we had just stuOpid amounts. sure we’ve made some wise investments. and now having no cash, we aren’t depressed. i own a house. loren’s got any future in store for him he wants… once he’s 18, and can vote. he can draw a good circle! so that’s that. oh, and we have found The Chairman! (not to be confused with the figure head of false organizations like the coommmmiitttteeee) an age old quest, certainly well familiar to patrons of robothouse.org. this dispute actually divided our ‘neo and ‘orth’ factions primarily into three possibly patriarchal related dogmas. no, not coke use. but, well, as you know, a magician has the danger of being obsessed with their beliefs, “which really are meant to be temporary expedients.” -S.S.O.T.O.B.M.E.:Sex Secrets Of The Black Magicians Exposed.
okay, and then september came around.
likely (unlikely:), just possibly, depressed from six years of…? arduous bush administration rhetoric. and still coke hadn’t dropped in price!
i know, we ‘got our america on.’ it’s surprising, being as generous as we were all summer, why we waited til september to ‘party’. but that played a factor. not only is ‘bad press’, really ‘good press’(exceptions noted), right, seeding the mystery surrounding the new “Chairman”!
But, also it seemed like we could all use a good dose of paranoia, extra sensory elation, and, frankly, blatent greedy glutonousness. possibly related to The Chairman? the orth’s certainly thought so… it’s an amorphic analogy i make. but the church was getting a little to fun fun-party party-24 hr-creativity mode, and the food was still ALL getting eaten up! i can only speak for certain inDividuAls, mainly myself. i know of little sleeper cells out there who do coke regularly. in a way i might envy their autonomy. but i don’t think they think of themselves as a Pope.
my best option here would be to just paint paintings and shut up. but i thought i’d plug a FUN-RAISER event we’re planning for late nov., beginning of dec. honestly, it’s not art until some’one’ pays for it. perhaps i’m paying for it.
no-one was payed to paint the o’leary street market.
and that reminds me. kudos again. what i wanted to research was a word. it’s not applicable to we-moon, or certainly crystal. love you!… (uh, i did use a little of your sept. months rent for… y’know. sorry.) but, as a man. the word itself evokes an appreciable recognition to an idea. one, actually, which also contributed to the stuOpid and S.T.U.P.I.D.’s separation. we had different ways around the problem defined by this word. i just looked it up in a book. i am curious to see if it’s the definative word. wikipidia’s got to say something informative. the word is ‘androphobia’- fear and hatred of the male. a little extreme. but to an extent, it remains the one acceptible form of bigotry.
i’m certainly succeptible, we can scarcely believe that males have ever done anything, but shoot one another, rape women, and blow people up. i don’t oppose feminism. we know this right? this may be the sustinct difference between neo and orth application. the stuOpid reject all forms of stereotyping and dehumanization (unless you are a god or demon!) Adrophobia (or male-bashing) has no intrinsic or necessary link with Feminism, and many feminists utterly reject androphobia. for goodness sake! it underlies the widespread male depression. an “epidemic”! and also explains the soaring suicide rate among boys and young males.
okay, most of that was plagerized from robert a. wilson (whatever you think of him…). but i am not on coke right now, writing all this, (just a sparks and several cigarettes). he went on to include all sorts of statistics. i’ll just add “the suicide rate among boys aged 16 to 19 runs four times higher than that of females, and the suicide rate of men between 20 and 24 soars to six times that of females ( according to the us department of statistics.)
It’s a joke! UP THE xPCx xCOREx!
also James, what’s your last name? if you are going to say things like “shut up, you’re uneducated” to slap at Nyky’s remarks then you should be accountable for your words and your ignorance.
So, if i were serious would you what, fight me?
when you take life so seriously all the time… no good! If you send me some radically awesome hatemail, make sure to title it all caps with something that doesn’t sound like spam, kay? We’ve all got our problems and our stories. I don’t want to play a role in bad stuff that comes with the drug trade. But, unless you’re completely dropping off the radar of modern life, aren’t we all complicit in the destruction, oppression, and killing that comes with globalized trade? So instead of this “OMG YOU DID THE WURST!!11, I HAVE THE SADDER LIFE STORY” nonconstructive, finger-pointing why don’t we DO something constructive? Or at least, create positive discussion. I won’t use humour ever again, I promise.
as a fifth closing discordian distraction. it was The Chairman himself, whom stupidly blurted out in the middle of taryn’s segway. “it’s not what you think!”
i can hear him exhausting his lungs yelling it, only to hear a brief pause of silence, before i’m sure she continued.
i guess kaylen had titled a blog. “giving it to kids, great” or something, and he and me thought.. ‘chu.’ actually we thought, ‘we’re buying it from kids…?’ but he’s silly. and i didn’t hear about him yelling that until weeks later. but it was after the equinox. it’ll go into some cartoon of future mohammads, or jehovahs, perhaps even erises… if we’re so profit/prophetable; and to be disputed over for a time. i haven’t heard this new Chairman sing yet. i can’t say if he has a perfect Pitch.
Wait, pete.
I dont know what ‘chu’ means.
I thought we had worked this out?
The title of that blog had nothing to do with coke. It did have something to do with a friend buying beer for minors and getting jail time for it. I hate internet drama and avoid it at all costs. Something as passive aggressive as putting referential blog titles just isnt my style. If I had a problem with a person I would voice that in the real world.
Though as I told Pete in a message, if he wants to know about my views on coke, I think its whack. And as for coke and gas being similar products of oppression, coke never gave my mom a ride to the hospital, shit, coke didnt even wake up when i called to ask.
Want to know more?
The next time you see me, ask me. Sometimes a computer screen can muddle what a person is trying to communicate.
oh yeah, were good and did. i wrote that wrong. i was just telling a story. you said the blog had nothin to do with coke. but it riled the kid in a funny way, which led to him being a fool at the creosote show. i can help you understand ‘chu’ chu” chu’h chuH and chuy plus a few other versions, likewise, anytime.
I wish I could say this eloquently, but I do not, unfortunatley, have a way with words. I just want to say that it makes me really sad to see some really potentially amazing kids in Flag have Cocaine as thier primary activity in life.I can’t help you all except by saying there is a lot more to life and I think you are better than that. That is my kind side. My passive aggressive side says (via internet) I am so sick of you and your superficial reality scene. I am sick of your self created bipolar behavior and can only hope that you all realize the impact you have on those around you. I am not actullay just talking about cocaine, but all drugs and alcohol addicts. Why make drugs your primary challange in life, there is so much more to work on. I can understand having a variety of recreation in life, but even the political issues aside, addits create hell for the rest of us who want to keep them in our lives and only they can change their lives. You can see I am really worn out by selfish addicts. Please try a little harder. I obviously can’t help you. Take a little responsibility for your own life and actions and its reactions. I am not impressed with your cool inatentiveness, just like you probably think I am really boring. But I feel fine. You? Stop defeding your more idiotic ways and move on, eh?
well let the castration commence. however i am appauld at the way certain, by no means all, “feminists” (I actually hate that word i think it’s counterprodutive and should be changed to “gender equalitist movement/ activist”) will take the words of men and contort it to an attack on womyn to strengthen their arguments. this happens all the time. ask yourself; who is silencing who? i heard absolutly no silencing of taryn. to me that would sound like shut up you stupid womyn. wich i didn’t read any where. did you? apparently men can not have diferant oppinons than womyn without it being an attack on the womyn. these concepts are just as sexist as bad beer comercials. all men are mysogonits and enjoy “silencing womyn.” coke trade is fucked but so are alot of things. however what the fuck is anybody (even you crystal) doing about anything. wer’e all sure good at psudo-politacal ranting but i don’t see how that gets anybody anywhere. maybe we need to do is get our brains back from the glowing boxes we sold them out to and DO somthing. however we (myself included) probably won’t and will continue staring at the glowing screen and think that what i’m typing here actually means anything. excuse my poor gramar and spelling i’m familiar with these things and attacks on peoples gramatical abbilities are probably next. anything to discredit your opponent right? i love the internet. don’t you?
This is the first time I’ve been on this site since it got changed so you could only look at it from this special internet browser. Bobby never even said anything to me about any of this, nor have I had an opportunity to discuss this with him. My other roommate just told me that some kind of drama was a brewin’ so I came on to check it out… this is my perspective.
I really didn’t want to get in the middle of this argument, but I feel like I have to say something. And, not because I need to jump to Bobby’s defense. I just feel that some assumptions have been made here that aren’t quite fair. This conversation has been interesting. I think everyone has some really valid points. Here are my points. Feel free to argue with me or say that I am making my own assumptions. I’m sure I am.
(1) I am pretty sure that what Bobby said had nothing to do with what Taryn said at a show. I know for a fact that several months ago, Bobby and I discussed this very topic, especially the baby killing story, in reference to something that another male (I specify since gender seems to be an important issue here) in Flagstaff had said. His intention doesn’t appear to me to be making fun of anyone, even that person. I think he was just trying to start a conversation about this issue.
(2) Bobby clearly said that he did not think that people who do cocaine are trying to contribute to the terrible impact that illegal drug trafficking has on people all over the world.
(3) Bobby doesn’t own a house. Trying to discredit him based on the gender and ethnicity that he was born unto (with no choice of his own, mind you), as well as trying to knock him down based on his class (owning a house), is not entirely fair. First of all, Bobby doesn’t own a house – I do. He has absolutely nothing to do with it, aside from paying rent to me. The fact that we are married does not mean that my choices are necessarily his. Nor are his mine. I’m entirely independent of him.
I have no problems with Niki’s argument except for these. And I also have nothing against her (you) for assuming these things. I think I would probably jump to the same conclusion had I (1) been at the show, and (2) had a friend I thought was being chastised. I’m serious about that. I really think this was just an attempt to open dialog about the main issue; the issue that cocaine really fucks people’s lives and that even though it isn’t entirely the fault of cocaine users, that it is something to think about the next time to decide to do/buy the drug. And even with that, there are many other things that privileged people in our community do every day that cause pain to people in far off places. I think it’s awesome that so many people have brought so many different perspectives to this discussion. I think that my points above need to be considered, however, in judging the original author of the post when it comes to calling him a racist, sexist, and classist. We need to be discussing these things. We do. I think it makes our community a better place.
I want to add a few more things.
I really believe that even if a man is born a man, something he has no control of, with the knowledge of all of the oppressive practices that go on in the world, is responsible for doing whatever he can to make sure that he is not using his privilege to disadvantage others. Just as I think the same thing about anyone who is born into a dominant group. This also means that all of us here who (with access to the internet proving our privilege over most of the world) can gain/spread information about those maintaining the status quo – about those who are supporting the oppression of the many for the profit of the few – need to use the privilege responsibly. This original point of this post, at least in my opinion, was trying to do something of the sort. I enjoy what Steven said before me. That people need to be doing things. But I think a lot of people on this post ARE doing things. I think that just by discussing these issues in a public forum, even questioning people’s motives in making posts about cocaine and their users and then commenting on that post, are doing something, however small it is. I know that there are people who posted on this thread who are out in the community, educating people, participating in public demonstrations and rallies, and registering people to vote, and making sure their friends and the people they come into contact with are held accountable and are aware of the world as it really is, and playing in bands that discuss these issues, and writing about them, and making choices in what they buy and eat, and how much they drive that’s really necessary, and all of that. I’m talking about EVERYONE who posted on here. I think all of you, even those I know just a small amount about, are doing amazing things to try to make this a better world for everyone who thinks that all people deserve to be treated with the respect humans should be afforded. I think the fact that you care, regardless of what you said, is really important. I have deep respect for everyone’s opinion. I really just want those of you who commented on Bobby’s post, and made assumptions about someone you probably have not ever had a conversation with about all of the awesome things that he has done and all of the incredible ideas that he has, to consider maybe trying to do this without attacking or accusing him of being someone he is not. Not everything comes across as it was intended in writing on the internet. Please consider that. And remember, I respect each and every one of your opinions. I hope that you can do the same for me.
We’ll I can ALMOST assure you that I’m the youngest person to post on this thing. As havng done X amount of coke this year I can say just this to be truthful I never once thought about how the coke came to me just the price and if it had meth in it or not. You may call me naive but I think its one of the luxuarys we all have living where we do. I’m not saying that its allright to do coke but its not a bad thing to do and I honestly love doing it. “Stop defeding your more idiotic ways and move on, eh?” -Tucon, let me just say that this is probably the reason thet you signed onto the Let’s about coke. If we dont have S.T.U.P.I.D ideals than what the hell do we have as humans?
NyKy love you to death man, but what the hell? One of the reasons I love this place is that I know no one who would be disrespectful a woman, and really it has nothing to do with coke.
Justiin Dude way to personal, I cant speak for pete but with him I spent a shit ton of money setting up shows hell we wont even go into the equinox. But if you were out there thats a big slap in the face to me too.
I dont know dudes this is rediculous. hespers right its good to talk about this shit but were only exploting cocaine use.
thank you hesper for saying what i really wanted someone to say. we ALL do ALOT about ALOT. even how small. thats what i love the most about our communty. regarles of personal recreation wether it be macy’s coffee or cocaine or just going to shows and rocking out we all do somthing to strengthen our communitee and our world. and wether it be the chu’r.c.(h) the wemons the s.t.u.p.i.d. or the STUoPID we all come together and share thoughts and create ideas for a beter future. if it sounds flowery i’m kinda drunk. love steven
wrrd. jst to throw it in. that othre name isn’t the same. jst read it the othr nite, didn’t think you’ld think it like that. yepp.
peace.
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so i was wondering what everyone’s sources were, besides hollywood movies and tv shows.
it might be helpful to share the sources i know you must have used. it might make more sense for people to read up on this issue on thier own in order to get converted to your side….might make more sense than intimidating them into thinking what you think. right?
this thread is dead and will not be read.
that being said,
who has asked a penniless coca harvestor if they want us to boycott cocaine? If I were one of them I would say, “God no! That would mean less work for me and fewer jobs for my friends and family.”
If I really wanted to help oppressed or “poor” people, I would do everything I can to get rich and own more houses so that I could contribute to the cause. I would become a politician and work towards reform of corrupt governments and an end to drug wars. Otherwise I would shut up and vote.
If someone is killing babies these days (since the decline of culturally sanctioned infanticide), I think the issue is their psychopathy and not the drug trade.
Be real. Praise be to more dialogue.
you’re all uneducated-ah.
i’m the most educated-ah!